EP 6: Building a Career in Sustainability

In this episode, Kabelo Rathobei interviews Comfort Apeh Francis, an environmentalist and climate innovator from Nigeria, about building a career in sustainability, the challenges faced, and her innovative tools like the Sustainability Career Pathfinder. They explore diverse career paths in sustainability, the importance of African voices in global climate discussions, and practical advice for newcomers.

Resources
Green Bridge Africa Innovations - https://greenbridgeafrica.com
Sustainability Career Pathfinder - https://sustainabilitypathfinder.lovable.app
UNFCCC Learning Platform - https://unfccc.int/learning
Climatebase Job Board - https://climatebase.org
Inco Green Digital Pathways Course - https://incoacademy.com
LinkedIn Learning ESG Courses - https://linkedin.com/learning
Work on Climate Community - https://workonclimate.org

Transcript

Kabelo (00:04)
Welcome to the Candid Sustainability Podcast, a podcast about real conversations at the intersection of people, planet and progress hosted by me, Kabelo Rathobei In each episode, I sit down with change makers, practitioners and everyday people doing extraordinary things in sustainability, from careers in climate finance to youth advocacy, renewable energy and beyond. We keep it candid, we keep it honest and we bring an African perspective

to the global sustainability conversation because Africa's voice belongs at the center of this dialogue, not at the margins. If this is your first time listening, welcome. And if you keep coming back, thank you. Make sure you subscribe wherever you get your podcast and do share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. Today on the show, we discuss building a career in sustainability. But before we get into today's episode,

I want to share something with you. If you've listened before, you may notice a small but intentional shift in how I've introduced the show. I've tweaked the direction slightly and I want to be upfront about why this is the case. The more I sit with this work and the more I realize that sustainability conversations in global spaces often speak past Africa or treat it almost as a footnote.

Africa contributes the least to global carbon emissions, yet bears some of the heaviest consequences of climate change. Africa is also home to the youngest population on Earth, a generation that will most likely shape the sustainability agenda for decades to come. Africa brings some of the most innovative responses and some of the most important voices in the conversation to the urgent climate realities. And yet too much of the global sustainability conversation happens

without African voices at the table. So while the heart of this podcast has not changed, the conversations are still candid and honest and about real stories. I am being more intentional about centering an African perspective, not to exclude, but to include what has too often been left out. The Candid Sustainability podcast is exactly what it has always been, candid. So that part is not changing. But now we can, let's get into it.

Today I'm speaking with Comfort Apeh Francis, an environmentalist, climate innovator, climate communications professional with over four years of experience advancing sustainability solutions across Africa. She is the co-founder and CEO of Green Bridge Africa Innovations, a climate finance infrastructure company connecting clean energy business in communities to climate finance in Nigeria.

She is deeply committed to combating climate misinformation while building scalable, impact-driven climate solutions. She has recently launched a sustainability career pathfinder, a tool that helps people who want to build careers in sustainability but are struggling to start and don't know where to start. So, Comfort forth, welcome to Candid Sustainability.

Comfort (03:18)
Hi, Kabelo thank you for having me.

Kabelo (03:21)
Thank you very much

for making the time. So we're gonna jump straight into it so that I don't take too much of your time. And I want us to talk a little bit about, before we get into the career pathfinding, sustainability career pathfinder, because that's how I got acquainted with your work. And that's one of the most important aspects of today's conversation. But before we get into that, I want to know a little bit about yourself.

Who are you and what do you do? So tell us everything that there is to know about Comfort.

Comfort (03:57)
Ha!

All right. I think from the introduction you did, you've almost said almost everything about me, but I'll just give a simple introduction of myself. Hi everyone. My name is Comfort Apeh Francis. I'm an environmentalist from Nigeria. I love to build solutions and I love to fight against climate misinformation. I'm the co-founder and CEO of Greenridge Africa, just as she has introduced. And I recently launched the sustainability Sustainability career pathfinder to help people who want to

Get Started in the Social Media sector know where to start from this is an entry-level tool that anybody can use As long as you have an idea of okay. I'm interested in climate finance or I'm interested in climate policy You can use this tool and it's going to give you a direction and a path to follow aside my work being an environmentalist I I have lots of passion projects and side projects and the sustainability career pathfinder happens to be

of my passion projects. love to watch movies, especially Turkish series and see dramas and K-dramas. I love everybody's cultures So I'm happy to be here today. Thank you for giving me this platform and opportunity to talk about myself and my work.

Kabelo (05:07)
Okay.

Thank you very much for coming. It really is ⁓ great that you were able to come. So I want us to get a little bit candid. You already have by telling us that you like to K-drama, for example. But what did your early career look like? And what was the moment when you decided, actually, I want to forge a career in sustainability? What happened? What was your turning point? And what got you to this place?

Comfort (05:44)
⁓ Okay, you probably might not know but I am a graduate of environmental management and toxicology So that was what I studied in school and after graduating I actually wanted to you know work in the sector but in my country here, it's Quite a is a new course when I started studying it and not much people really knew about it So the career path that he kept talking about was waste management and all that there's nothing wrong with waste management

But I wanted to do something beyond waste management I kept thinking that there has to be something more that I could do with this certificate So I said I researching and that was how I started learning about climate change. My early days were quite confusing I'm not going to lie. So You know building this sustainability career pathfinder. It was from a pinpoint that I experienced. It was quite confusing I didn't know where I wanted to start from. I was just learning everything and anything

Kabelo (06:16)
Yeah.

Comfort (06:44)
Taking all courses, but the only good thing that came out of my early stage. ⁓ I found direction and ⁓ I saw a problem and decided to start solving so ⁓ My early career days were basically about me learning and trying to forge a path for myself and Discovering that there were lots of climate misinformation in this space especially on social media on Twitter It was a whole lot. So I decided to do something about it. I started

Kabelo (06:58)
you

Comfort (07:14)
podcast also called climate Saturday where I invited guests who were much more knowledgeable than I was in the sustainability sector to come talk and debunk most of the climate misinformation that we are spreading across so that was how my journey basically started so I started confused and got into communications and this is where we are right now and I'm glad I took that step

Kabelo (07:17)
great.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, so as it stands, then your work is mostly centered around climate communication, but what other areas of your work, what are the areas of sustainability is your work focused on?

Comfort (08:00)
⁓ Aside to communication, I'm very interested in climate finance and also innovation currently So I'm building my startup called Greenbridge Africa where I seek to connect clean energy businesses and low-income communities to climate finance I don't believe a woman should be cooking for her family and be dying as a result of using poor energy sources to cook it doesn't make any sense to me and Seeing that there's a way we could fund clean cooking solutions to get to more

Women so they could cook clean and live healthy. I decided to start working on green ridge africa and You know We've created a digital mrv system that we seek to connect people that are working as smallholder farmers that are working in the agricultural sector people that companies that have clean cook stoves organizations that are manufacturing clean cook stoves seeing how we can work with them to get the solutions to low-income earners and also organizations

that are converting organic waste into cleaner energy sources seeing how we can work together to get this to most of these women so currently that is what I am building and my solution has been recognized by the United Nations and the African climate African Union where I was invited to pitch at the African climate summit to that just ended last year So yeah, I would believe that you know, the solution is getting the recognition it deserves

because it is needed in this time and day. Climate finance is a very strong bedrock that ⁓ we need in the climate space. Every subsector under the climate space ⁓ needs climate finance to function. So I'm really, really interested in the climate finance sector of the space currently.

Kabelo (09:55)
That's quite exceptional work that you're doing, Comfort. And what really speaks to me is how you've identified the different problems or the different challenges that your community is facing and finding sustainable solutions for it. But it is also quite important, the point that you bring across, that we do need the financial resources to then make these a reality. But now I want to talk a little bit about people who, unlike you, who had studied sustainability and

and environmental management and now they've probably started off their studies in a different faculty in a different subject area and now they want to pivot into the sustainability space. What do you think people who are trying to pivot into this space most underestimate about switching to the sustainability industry?

Comfort (10:51)
⁓ I think we underestimate how confusing the sustainability sector sector can be.

It is broad. It is very, broad and it interconnects with every other sector. studying just, let's say if you studied environmental sciences or even the sustainability courses, it doesn't really mean that you probably will like have a clear roadmap on where to start on how to get started. The sector is big identifying where you want to work where you want to make impact is one of the biggest challenges that I can see most people

face

once you can identify that particular place it gives you a clearer roadmap and it gives you a what's the word

⁓ a smoother smota journey? So you've you've mapped out like your biggest problem. That is identifying Where exactly do you want to make impact studying sustainability or you just want to transition? Another thing I've observed is that the sustainability sector every other sector has its equivalent in the sustainability sector So except you want to come in and work in the equivalent of where you're coming from Then you probably don't have a

problem but if you're just coming in that you just want to get started figuring out your path and knowing where to start from is a huge challenge and I feel like most people underestimate it

Kabelo (12:26)
And then what

And then what are the main career paths within sustainability that people often overlook or don't know exist that they could maybe pivot into or explore in their pursuit to looking for a career in sustainability?

Comfort (12:48)
I would use myself for example, when I started in the sustainability sector, I thought that activism was all it was to the sustainability sector. I didn't know that, you know, it was broad. I knew it was broad, but I felt like activism was like the bedrock of it. I didn't know that there were more technical skills and all that. So we have so many sub-sectors. I would mention a few. We have climate finance. So we need people that are accountants, economists.

Lawyers to work in this spaces we have climate finance. We have clean clean energy Which is even still divided into solar wind? biogas bioenergy and all that nuclear energy those ones are there we have ESG and corporate sustainability so organizations right now are being pressurized to report to give their sustainability reporting investors are looking at that for

for

them to invest in companies and all that. That's another ⁓ subsector that people could look at. There are so many roles ESG analysts, sustainability manager, CSR officers, these roles are available. We have climate communications. I feel like that's one thing me and you are doing currently right now. Every sector in the sustainability sector, every subsector in the sustainability sector need communicators. They need people to translate that technical jargon ⁓

Kabelo (14:08)
you

Comfort (14:18)
jargon I would call it because not everybody is going to understand it. So they need communicator So if you're into communications journalism, you're needed you're very very very needed we have great technology because We are in a world where technology is like the bedrock of everything right now So even in the sustainability space Technology is needed in the clean energy space energy conservation and utility everything Technology is needed. So if you're data scientist ⁓

project manager, you're needed, you're a software developer, machine learning engineer, you're needed in the green technology space. There's also the green building that's for construction. So we need people to decarbonize the construction space where architects are designing more sustainable buildings, engineers are looking at more sustainable ways to build, seeing how to decarbonize from cement and all that.

Seeing how to put utilities in the house that you know conserve energy and all that so the space is broad like I said and These subsectors need a whole lot of people engineers are needed Project managers communicators lawyers economists finance people everybody is needed so Yeah

Kabelo (15:26)
Mm-hmm.

So anybody

in any sector could then make the pivot? Because I often always get the question about whether or not people need technical skills to be in the sustainability space and what kind of technical skills they require. Would you want to give a little bit of insight about that?

Comfort (16:06)
Yeah, sure. ⁓ there are some there are some of the sub sectors that you Definitely will need technical skills To work in so if let's say the ESG and ⁓ sustainability reporting you need to understand global reporting frameworks That's a technical skill that you need to understand You have to even get certified to be able to come and start writing ESG reports for companies and all that If you want to work, ⁓ in the solar, ⁓ sector

in energy space, there are a lot of technical roles there also. So they need like electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, ⁓ energy analysts, ⁓ utility analysts also, people that could calculate energy efficiency and all that. So that's also a technical skill that is required. Even in climate policy, if you want to work in climate policy, you need the technical skills of understanding how policy works, how policy drafts

are being made and all that it's dear but you know, like I said every role has is He it's other side in this sustainability sector So every role has its equivalent in the sustainability sector, but there are some roles that require you to have some technical skills Those technical skills are required but not for every role you get for communications now is very easy if you can write content if you can learn about the space

you probably focus on like the clean energy space reach at terminologies and understand and you can do contents and Educate people basically you can easily transition. So not everything is so technical There are some roles that require technical skills just some roles that require business skills. So if you're a business developer and stuffs like that You have your your space also. Yes roles that require communication skills and what I can get

To see most of these days that most of even the roles that have been put out You don't judge require just even just one skills. It's like a t-shaped skills where It touches almost a little of everything so People don't have to be scared. You can just start small from wherever you are and if the role that you're looking to want to work in Requires a technical knowledge you start developing that technical skills while you get started in the sector. So it's it's

easy like that.

Kabelo (18:39)
So you brought something very interesting into the conversation when you're talking about job posts that we see, because I'm in the space and I get very, I don't know what the correct word would be, but it always, I find very interesting, but also quite surprising just how the job posts that you'll see will require so many different skills that

for me are very broad. So they will require, for instance, technical sustainability reporting, but they would also require communications and they would also require data analysis. perhaps someone might look at that job post and think these are three distinct career paths. And so how does somebody who is maybe even a student in the sustainability space themselves, how do they then channel themselves to be able to find a role?

that is interesting to industry, of course, the companies that they're trying to apply for, but also, so how do they deal with the breadth that is needed, but also the depth of the work that is required? Because I find them very broad and almost like you have to start studying three different subject areas just to be one, just to play one role. I'm not sure if that question makes sense, but let me know if.

⁓ You want me to redevelop it.

Comfort (20:06)
No, I get the question correctly like I said earlier, you know A bit of everything is required right now when you see some of those job postings so for a student I feel like one of the easiest way is to look for internships because Getting an internship or doing an internship you you probably they don't even require you to have all those skills they would train you and so so that's like the easiest parts to get in and Looking at those job postings. It's a road map

Also that you get to see that okay These are some of the skills that I need to build like for for example, you were talking about the reporting They require you to know a framework Let's say GRI or I SSB you are required to understand it and You also need to be a data analyst Because you would also be working with data and you'd also have to be able to you know, write this report and communicate it properly So you still need a communication skills

Inside of it also so if you're a student and you're looking at this like this you I feel like you have a very big advantage because You're still learning you're still in school. So, know the right skills to pick up before you leave school So you're not just coming into the market and you're stranded So you're going to look at this and be like, okay This is what the job market looks like if you when you see a job posting these are some of the skills that are being required and you start developing those skills you look for in

Kabelo (21:24)
you

Comfort (21:36)
Internships

and I feel like one of the things that are failing a lot in this space is that we don't have lots of internships we don't have a lot of apprenticeships and traineeships because I think it's very much needed because We have a huge skills gap talent gap in the sustainability space and we need to fill it But almost everybody have to struggle and you know, try to identify this part and work on it for themselves That's where I feel like ⁓ government

And all these corporations can come together and create programs that Can ease this? Can ease this space this gap that is there so if we could get trainingships if we could get more internships Where you more people can get in because lots of companies are coming up every day Regulations are getting tighter and stricter and a whole lot of talent is needed to fill these spaces. So Just a whole lot of work to do but if you

you're just starting out as a student, please look at job postings like you stated, look at the skills that you are required and you look at the kind of skills you have, do a skills audit. If I'm very good with social media or even understand communications, then you know that, okay, you're just going to improve on that slowly. And then you see that data analyst is one of the skills that, cause I feel like it's one of the skills that is required almost everywhere in the sustainability sector. So you start learning,

Kabelo (23:03)
you

Comfort (23:05)
How to you do the basics that learning how to work with Excel properly then how to clean data? They don't require you to be perfect because you you you I believe everybody can learn as they go Yeah, so if you know the basics you can apply please so don't let those skills things scare you off Well, if you know the basics, please apply but also understand frameworks read about the frameworks while you're preparing to get certified so At least have an idea so when you go

Kabelo (23:16)
Absolutely.

Comfort (23:35)
for this interview they know that okay yes you understand is just that probably you don't have the certification or something yet which you can see you're working on and don't let that hold you back just you know some these days the job market is quite shitty and it looks like a game of numbers but if you are very strategic you would get something good

Kabelo (23:54)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. No, absolutely. I want us to start talking about the Sustainability Career Pathfinder because that's how I found you and that I actually took the tool myself and I found it to be quite accurate in the suggestions that it gave me the career path that it felt was fitting based on my skills and my interests because most of it is exactly what I'm already doing. So that

for me if I'm supposed to give it a rating, I'm giving it a five star and I'm going to encourage everybody to find you on LinkedIn and take that the career pathfinder tool but you're going to tell us a little bit more about it just now but before we do that I'm interested to know is there any platform or place that you would maybe suggest for people trying to pivot into the climate sustainability place to maybe find

job posts, internships, or any kind of skills development that they might need in order to be more competitive in this space. As you've said that the job market is not looking very, very good. So it is quite competitive. Is there a space that you can recommend?

Comfort (25:09)
⁓ Yes, there are different spaces if you're interested in working in climates I feel like the community that everybody should belong to if you're interested in working in climate is work for climate Work on climate so just search work on climate and you can join just lack Community so it's it's a community where you people are sharing job postings resources Trying to help each other people that want to break into the space. It's a community that everyone should belong to

And if you want to take courses the UNFCCC ⁓ Learn Space is where you could also learn. You could also look at TerraDo. You can also take some courses from TerraDo. could also look at ⁓ Climatebase is a job board. So you can go and look at climatebase and look at the kind of jobs and ⁓ the requirements to get those jobs. So it will help and inform your learning and your skills development.

Please everybody should look at and if you're interested in green technology I feel like you should take this Inco green digital pathway course by Inco Academy I've taken that course and you know, I was very very surprised that you know How you design your website and other stuff like that has its own impact the energy efficiency and the energy use and how it affects the environment ⁓ Designing and everything I feel like

If you're into green technology and all that, please go take the green digital pathways by Inco. It's a very good course I would recommend for everybody to take so those are some of the ⁓

Those are some of the recommendations I can give. So if you are interested in, let's say, ESG reporting and stuff like that, you could look at organizations that are offering free certifications first, before you invest in any certifications. Go and take free certifications. You can go to CSRD. They offer a free course on introduction to CSRD. You could also use LinkedIn Learning to learn introduction to ESG so you understand what ESG is and why it is important.

and you take the introduction to CSRD and you understand how it's important for corporate organizations and how it's intertwined. So courses like that, invest in free courses first before, so you have like a basic understanding before you decide to pump your money. So in case you know that, okay, this is not the part I'm interested in, you wouldn't have lost a lot. You would be able to run away. Yeah, it's that bad.

Kabelo (27:47)
Yeah, that's great advice.

That's great advice. So let's talk about the Sustainability Career Pathfinder before I let you go. Let me know a little bit more about what you were trying to solve. Why do you why you finally decided that, okay, this is the time for me to build such a tool.

Comfort (27:53)
Yeah.

⁓ The sustainability career pathfinder I would say I wrote an article earlier on the this year where I was speaking to climate activists I have seen how climate activists in Africa they get burnt out because there is no proper ⁓ Career posting or there's no proper alignment. They only just do activism who placards and They get burnt out because at the end of the day, you know activism is is is is only free economy is on

Voluntary basics most of the times you don't get paid for it and I've had conversations I started out our way to and I got burnt out also so I've had conversations with people and When I put that article out, actually got to a lot of people and I got comments that they could relate So there are other pathways and jobs and I just realized that So many people didn't know that there are other pathways to the sustainability sector asides activism They don't know that Jesse who would out

So I just decided at that point that okay, let's see. What can I do at first? I said I releasing small small Videos to educate and give out free resources on how I was learning and I was trying to pivot also And I had a discussion with a friend of mine and he spoke about how students were also reaching out to him and asking him how they could get started in the sustainability sector So that is when he clicked for me actually and I was like, okay I think I should be able to do something about

Kabelo (29:12)
Mmm.

Comfort (29:41)
This because I face this pain points that most of these people are complaining about what is something I? Wish I had when I started that was how I started building the sustainability career pathfinder That's how that thought came to my head. I looked at it and say okay I wish I had a tool that would you know match me based on my career my skills the skills that I had currently My interest in the sustainability sector and my work style and let it give me

Recommendations and let me see how I can go from there. I really love your review about the sustainability career pathfinder And I'm so happy that you know, it was it was accurate because even myself I've used it I've tested it several wheels and

Kabelo (30:18)
you

Comfort (30:26)
It was accurate also, so I'm so happy that that is there. So that was how I looked at it. First of all, I'm even going to make this disclaimer. I'm not a software developer. ⁓ I actually built this to buy by prompting.

Kabelo (30:38)
huh.

Okay, that is great.

And that already shows just how much technology and just an innovative mind can also solve a problem in the sustainability space.

Comfort (30:53)
Yeah.

Kabelo (30:55)
That has

been really good.

Comfort (30:56)
You don't need

I'm proof that you don't need so much to to create a solution to a problem if you have an idea you can always validate it and See how to work around it. So I feel like that's one of my greatest strengths once I have an idea I would look for how to make it come to life and That was how the sustainability media carapace finder came about and it was launched and I almost did not want to release this tool I must say

Kabelo (31:04)
Hmm.

Why not? Why not?

Comfort (31:26)
⁓

Kabelo (31:26)
We would have been sad.

Comfort (31:28)
Yeah, I don't even know I just felt like it wasn't the right time I kept postponing I had made the tool in February, but I kept postponing that wasn't the right time It wasn't the right time. But that morning I was just like Comfort just stop and put this tool out there people that will need this and it blew up and I was so shocked

Kabelo (31:45)
Hmm. It really did. Yeah, remarkable. What are

some of the surprising insights that you've seen since you've launched it?

Comfort (31:56)
Well, the surprising insights number one thing is I blew up on LInkedIn

I didn't I didn't know that this was going to blow up as much as it did and the reviews my god, the reviews is another thing like Thinking about it the second day when I was reading the reviews I almost cried because I saw someone that even made a comment that you know She needed thank you so much for releasing this tool this is so much needed I was also in a confused state and trying to figure out my parts and this has actually helped me You know seeing that the tool was doing what I intended for you to

It's not supposed to be surprising but you I'm sure you understand the emotions the the reviews the comments, you know people validating that was needed and also, you know informing me that what does actually help them currently over 800 plus people have taken this assessment and It's huge. Yeah, 800 people 800 plus people have taken this assessment and

Kabelo (32:38)
No, absolutely not.

Wonderful.

Comfort (33:01)
I am so so

Kabelo (33:01)
And those...

Yeah, carry on.

Comfort (33:05)
Yeah, i'm so so I don't want to stay surprised I knew the two was going to solve a problem But I just did not expect that it was going to blow up and my linkedin page was also blowing up and The connections I was getting was just a whole lot and a bit overwhelming

Kabelo (33:25)
Hmm. No, that's what happens when you look for, when you see a problem and you find a way to, bring a solution to it. And those are the kind of ⁓ people, these are the kind of people rather that I'm trying to highlight on this podcast and just how much efforts that people in the, in Africa, specifically the work that you guys are doing to assert yourselves into the space, but also to bring actual solutions to.

problems that people are having. And your tool is not just going to help those in Africa, it's really going to help the rest of the world because a lot of us are going through that same uncertainty and confusion that comes with this space. But now before we go, I would like you to tell me where they can find the Sustainability Career Pathfinder if they haven't already.

Comfort (34:19)
Okay, if you haven't used the tool yet you can go to you can just put on your browser sustainability part finder dot lovable dot app or You can find the link on my bio on any of my social media LinkedIn or Instagram You can find it. The link is in my bio. The tool is free to use. Please use it and leave your reviews Thank you

Kabelo (34:42)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And

last but not least, where are the biggest opportunities in sustainability careers right now that you think are getting really good momentum that people should explore?

Comfort (34:58)
⁓ some of the spaces like I said, they are climate finance is number one The carbon market is number two because it's blowing up and more countries are adopting and you know creating frameworks around it. So Those are places that people should look out for and number three. Yes. ESG sustainability reporting is also blowing up because it's it's quite mandatory right now for companies that are listening on the stock exchange and ⁓

Organizations in general like the policy that the EU even released on the EU C-BAM You can see policies like that are shaping it for more organizations to report their emissions and all that So it's becoming a lot more compulsory. So people should look out for climate finance carbon markets ESG and sustainability reporting. Those are my Top three I would say

Kabelo (35:47)
Okay,

well, Comfort, thank you so much for making the time to join us. This conversation can go on and on, but hopefully we can have another one of these conversations in the near future. And then maybe you can come back and tell me how the Pathfinder is doing and how all the other projects that you're working on are doing. And maybe, yeah, actually next time we might be talking a little bit more about climate finance, accessibility, and just ways to go about that.

It has really been a valuable conversation and thank you for sharing your journey so honestly and building something that gives people a real place to start. Thank you so much for coming.

Comfort (36:28)
Thank you so much for hosting me for letting me use your platform to talk about my project and everything. I'm really, really grateful and keep up the work. We need more people like you to spotlight us so the world can see that, you know, we are very innovative in Africa and we are creating solutions to lots of problems that we didn't even create in the first place. Bye.

Kabelo (36:46)
I know. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of your day. Bye bye.

Okay.